25 Jan The Education of the Mind
I. Learning
We are always trying to improve our lives, giving them form and adding value to ourselves. I am not sure what stage you are in your career or whether it matters, but in both professional and education settings, there is an expectation that one must upgrade their knowledge at a certain time. This is often framed through broad encouragements by the human resource persons pushing staff to undertake courses and certifications for professional development. A promotion may be tagged to attaining a post graduate qualification. Sometimes this pressure can come from parents, “A degree is not enough. Everyone has a degree. You need a master’s degree.”
Even when I completed the Bachelor of Laws degree, I was expected to enrol for the bar course. There is a widely held view in Uganda that one is not a real lawyer unless they have passed the bar course/exams, yet this view often fails to differentiate between a lawyer and qualified lawyer. As a holder of two master’s degrees, I might easily be construed to have given into this pressure, but I have no regrets. There can never be too much knowledge. Where does this notion of continued learning come from? Do we ever stop learning? Whether in a classroom, at work, in a church or mosque, in a family or social gathering, there is always something to learn.
Education then, beyond all other devices of human origin, is a great equalizer of conditions of men…the balance wheel of the social machinery...It does better than to disarm the poor of their hostility toward the rich; it prevents being poor,” the poignant words of Horace Mann. I believe that education is not only about what we learn in class but the experiences we face and how those add a layer of lessons for us to carry. Indeed, all the schools I have attended have added perspective to my life. From primary boarding school where I was taken against my will and consent, I learnt to survive, make friends and accept that life does not unfold as I wish.
In high school, I explored my talent, dealt with the transition of becoming an adult as an adolescent and got picked on by bullies. Although this greatly affected my perception of myself then, it helped me build my mental fortitude. In this blog, I reflect on my educational journey across three continents—Uganda, where I had my formative years in secondary school and law school; the United Kingdom, where I studied at one of the oldest universities; and the United States, where I completed a Fulbright Scholarship in Michigan. While I focus primarily on my experiences, I incorporate insights from colleagues in order to give broader perspectives.
II. Matriculation
When people come to my office, the first thing that they notice, behind my table, hang up, one foot above my chair, is the large matriculation university photo taken in 2018 at the University of Oxford. (Matriculation, a formal ceremony of admission, was explained here. I first saw a matriculation group photo in a solicitor’s chambers in London, where I worked after school. Most of the lawyers I met at the firm had gone to Cambridge or Oxford. When I saw those pictures, I felt special having something in common with them-an Oxbridge education. Oxford is a unique city—right from the High Street which welcomes one into a remarkable place that represents history while bringing it to life through the ancient buildings, carved in stone and concrete with many pointed spires. It is an unforgettable place.
I decided that if I ever had a private office, I would hang my matriculation photo from college. Whoever sees this picture when they enter my office for the first time is always curious. They often ask, Were you the only black student? What was the experience like? How different was it was from your education here (Uganda)? How did you get there? I am fascinated by their questions which usually give me the opportunity to talk about my time in the “City of Dreaming Spires.” Soon after they have left, I often reflect on my expeditions across three continents. How my experiences in Uganda compared to those in the United Kingdom (UK) and the United States of America.
III. High School
For the advanced level of high school, I studied at Kiira College Butiki, a traditional boy’s school in the eastern part of Uganda, where students had a less tedious schedule and were given discretion to decide whether to attend certain school events. For instance, morning preparations (preps), a time when students woke up early and went to class one and half hour before class, were optional. There were no classes or academic activities on Saturday and Sunday. By contrast, at Kibuli Secondary School, where I went for my lower secondary education, was run on a much tighter schedule with an emphasis on an instructional pedagogical style. Morning and night preps were compulsory. Even though, as a teenager, I would wake up early, dress up, run to class, take the rollcall, only to rest my head on the table and sleep till the teacher would walk in. I remember examination ranked performance being emphasized deeply at Kibuli, so much that students were punished, by strokes of the cane, if they declined from their previous term’s marks or scored marks below the set average. This served as a quick motivation to focus, and may be justifiable as a short-term incentive. Everyone was expected to perform like Obua, one of the brilliant students who topped the class at the end of every term.
In spite of the differences in culture at these institutions, they each molded me into the person I am. Their mottos—Seek Knowledge and Discipline & Hard work— form a core part of my ethos. Brian, who attended his secondary education in Uganda but pursued his undergraduate and graduate studies in the UK, says that the Uganda exam-focused approach gave him a strong academic foundation. At Butiki, I developed a sense of restraint and self-control, given the unusual autonomy the school gave us as students. I learnt how to plan my time on my own motion and to achieve my own targets while, Kibuli instilled in me the importance of hard work to achieve a good academic rank. Brian comments that the Uganda education system as he experienced it, could have focused more on improving the student’s critical thinking skills. His experience of the United Kingdom system, emphasized innovation, practical learning, and open-mindedness. He says, “The UK System encouraged students to think critically and creatively.” Similarly, while I appreciate my experience at Kibuli and the impression it created on the importance of excelling academically, I agree with Brian. Our secondary schools could have done better at imparting critical thinking and problem-solving skills.
IV. Idols: Law and Art
I joined law school, at Uganda Christian University (UCU), either by fate or mere chance, having almost enroled to study an industrial art course. What a contrast that would have been to my journey today! At Kibuli, my classmates and other students often told me that I was a gifted artist. They paid me to draw portraits of their girlfriends and boyfriends. I was nicknamed ‘Dr. Art’. The appreciation and recognition I received, made me feel seen and inspired me to practice and get better at drawing portraits. The disparity between choosing law and art, leads me to ponder how much career guidance I might have needed while a senior in high school. To date, my brother says I threw away what would have been a promising career in art.
Be that as it may, I completed law school and the bar course in Uganda. I felt I needed to get a master’s degree from one of the leading universities in the west. One of the lawyers, I idolized, whose profile I had viewed on a firm’s website, had read law at Cambridge after his undergraduate law degree in Uganda. I wanted to be like him. I remember, when I first met him in person. We had coffee at a restaurant on Parliamentary Avenue. He ordered a Café Latte, which I had never heard of then. I was nervous. I told the waiter; I would have what he ordered. As we spoke, I was amazed. Everyone in the cafeteria knew him. People kept on walking to our table to say hello to him. I wanted to be like him.
My relentless journey to emulate him, led me to apply and eventually go to the University of Oxford where I read law at Jesus College. Although he had gone to Cambridge, which we (as Oxford alumni) often refer to as “the other place”, I chose Oxford only because I had been offered more financial aid. If anything, most of the top lawyers I idolized, had gone to Cambridge and I might have preferred it over Oxford. Two years after graduating from Oxford, through a Fulbright scholarship I went on to the University of Michigan. I must say I am quite fortunate, to have had both these incredible opportunities, or as my mother would prefer to say, I am blessed.
V. Making Mistakes at Oxford
I arrived in Oxford in October, 2018 having reached a week later, due to a delayed visa decision. My journey from Heathrow to Oxford was quite an experience. Assisted by Aunt Salaama, a longtime friend of my mother, which experience I wrote about here, I found my footing in the UK. At the very beginning of my time in Oxford, I can never forget the words of the Vice Chancellor at our matriculation ceremony to the University. I recorded the speech. She told us, “Your time here is precious; and it will pass more quickly than we could imagine. Use your time well; explore, do not to be afraid to make mistakes, challenge yourselves and try new things.” It is a stark contrast, to my experience of the Uganda system that was obsessed with grades, I found it odd that the Vice Chancellor was ‘encouraging’ us to make mistakes.
The University of Oxford was structured in three terms-Michaelmas, Hilary and Trinity- while the American system I experienced at the University of Michigan had two semesters—the Fall and Winter semesters. For UCU, we studied twice a year in the Easter and Advent Semester. I learnt that the naming of the terms at Oxford were based on two saints while one term was named due to its proximity to Easter. According to the University of Oxford, “Michaelmas term derives its name from the Feast of St Michael and All Angels, which falls on 29 September. Hilary term is named after the feast day of St Hilary, which falls on 14 January, while Trinity term comes from Trinity Sunday, which falls eight weeks after Easter.”
Oxford, in many ways felt similar to my undergraduate law school—UCU— where the University was founded by the Church of Uganda. A lot of colleges, were named after characters/people mentioned in the Bible—Jesus College, Trinity College, Christ Church, Magdalen College, Corpus Christi College and several other that were named after saints. Any student admitted to Oxford was affiliated to a college. I was initially admitted to Wadham, but transferred to Jesus College, where I had received a generous scholarship for my studies. I could only take up the scholarship, if I switched the college. I guess, Jesus really wanted me! My former University Chaplain would strongly agree with Jesus’ unlimited love for me, although this ‘Jesus’, was a college, in the former “Protector” of Uganda. The colleges, were central to one’s life at Oxford.
VI. The Oxford Way
My graduate studies at Oxford were three-tier. We had lectures, seminars and tutorials. In some modules we had lectures where the professor would go through slides that introduce the topic. Followed by seminars which were guided by questions on a topic previously set/agreed upon. In the seminar, students were expected to contribute to the class discussions by answering the seminar questions when prompted by the professor.
For the tutorials, one was expected to write essays for each subject. That short essay was submitted to the Professor who would review it and make comments therein. The student would take up one of the time slots offered for an in-person session to discuss the essay. Their work was assessed, with comments in red line. The tutorial was typically attended by two – three students and the instructor. Each student alongside one or two others would respond to question, defend and explain their ideas in the essay. This type of learning session was helpful as it helped me to reflect. There was no hiding, compared to my undergraduate law class where we were close to 100 students. Some students would keep silent in class for the whole semester. This was not possible in Oxford.
In the tutorials, the professor would ask questions and the expectation was that the student would add their voice to the existing scholarship. I had been trained to do research and write a good well referenced essay, but Oxford taught me that my opinion really matters. That, if I disagreed with the existing views, it wasn’t enough to disagree, I had frame arguments that were backed by logic and in most instances case law.
Generally, there was a strong encouragement of critical thinking and one place that exemplified thought leaders was the Oxford Union where I became a member. The Union hosted topical debates on both local and geopolitical issues and was a great exercise of introspection. Some of my most memorable moments were in the Union, meeting Senator Manny Pacquiao, Anthony Joshua, and Eion Colfer. Even when I returned, I have tried to create avenue that enable discussion between young professionals through webinars and symposiums I have organized through Cloud Vision. It is important not to accept everything as it is presented. We must question and seek to understand more.
Ruth, who pursued her undergraduate law degree in Uganda and post graduate studies at Harvard University says, “In Uganda, I was taught what the law is and examined on how well I could remember what I had been taught the law was. At Harvard, I was allowed [and expected] to question why the law is as it is and examined on how much personal contribution I made to existing scholarship – whether by supplement, analysis or criticism.” Although she also notes that differences are expected. She says, “I recognize that mine may have been a difference of a Bachelor’s v. Master’s degree (first principles first, critical thinking later), but our education system would be much better if we allowed students more room to interact with scholarship rather than just memorize it. This goes for both teaching and examining.”
In Oxford, some of my professors took a keen interest in me and went out of their way to ask me a lot of questions. One of the most memorable things about college was having a college advisor. The college advisor was a professor at the college. I would meet him at the beginning and end of each term. I understand that the advisor had access to all my scores on the tutorials. In these meetings, he would ask why I scored the marks I had in the tutorials. Trying to find out how the college could help me in my stay at Oxford. This personal attention helped me develop and appreaciate the value of looking for elements of growth in the assignments I took as a student.
VII. What is a Grade
At end of the course we sat exams in a hall. It felt familiar because, I had sat over 100 handwritten exams in Uganda from primary through to law school where we had a 6-hour exam at the Law Development Centre. However, Oxford differed because of its numerous traditions around exams. Students were expected wear the university gown—a full academic dress with the subfusc (a dark suit with dark socks, plain white shirt with a plain collar and a white bow tie) as required. One interesting tradition, was the carnations—different coloured flowers— that one would wear when they were going to seat an exam. There were different colours to mark the first, middle and last exams one took.
On the other hand, during my Uganda education, the subjects I offered especially history economics, divinity, had trained me to memorize facts or reasons. Writing a lot in the answer to a question often allowed/increased one’sprosects of scoring higher marks. While there is signficant value in memory, critical analysis is more suited to solving the challeges that one might face in business, service or employment. At Uganda law school, where I was fortunate to study at UCU, we were assessed primarily through courseworks which contributed 30% of the grade and final exam. Students, then could have elected to write a dissertation. I found that excelling on the program involved a lot of reading, and producing well referenced work.
VIII. The Michigan Difference
In the United States, I took several credit courses across different subjects including technology, data privacy, competition and future of money. The approach varied. Students were allowed to pick the subjects a month before the semester. Most of the classes were lecture and seminar based. One thing that is common about American law schools is cold calling.
Cold calling is where during the class the lecturer calls a student’s name. The calling out was randomized by algorithms, that would evenly distribute the number of times a student would be called to participate during the semester. When called, a student would be expected to comment on a case, a principle or to respond to a question asked by the professor. One’s answers to the cold calling, would contribute an overall percentage of their grade on the subject. Cold calling was fierce especially if the reading materials for the week had been voluminous.
At Michigan, we had classes that were seminar based, where before each class one had to write a reflection paper. That reflection paper contained the student’s thoughts on the readings for the week. These weekly papers would be graded and contribute to the grade of the student. In others, one would have a major writing project or research paper and exams. Unlike Oxford, all my exams were to be typed on my laptop. Some exams, were sit in exams – where one would carry their laptop to the exam room, receive a question paper and answer it by typing out answers through a designated software that enabled us to submit electronic copies of the answers. This really put me on my toes. Although I would type faster than most, I was so stressed out when preparing for the exams.
XI. Other Observations
Derrick [not real name], who studied in Uganda for primary and secondary school, before moving to United Kingdom (UK) for his university education says, “…whilst I was studying in Uganda, there seemed to be a tendency that if one writes a lot of words, for example in an essay, that would equate to getting many marks. However, when studying in the UK, I learnt that it is not about how much one writes, or how many complex words one uses in their essays that would obtain them good marks. Rather, it is about the quality of one’s writing. At one point, I used to write one page essays and get 100% in them.”
He observes that while he was studying in Uganda, there seemed to be a tendency of some teachers labelling students and predicting their futures based on the students’ academic performance or naughty characters. “At times, there seemed to be an attitude of making things so difficult for people to pass exams. In the UK, students are largely supported to excel in their exams. There is an appreciation that every student is different and has different strengths. Therefore, students are generally supported in both their areas of strengths and weaknesses and not condemned to be failures in the future just because they are not topping their class.”
There are lessons to be learnt. Based on his experience, he encourages education practitioners in Uganda to adapt the attitude of supporting students to excel in their exams, as opposed to making the system so difficult for people to pass. “Teachers should support or guide students to excel in their different areas of strength regardless of if they are not top academic performers or if they are naughty.” According to Derrick. While Brian notes that Improving Uganda’s education system requires promoting critical thinking through problem-solving, project-based learning, and fostering relaxed teacher-student relationships to encourage open dialogue, independence, and creativity.
Stephen [not real name] points out a few contrasts. “One major difference was the emphasis on academic reading and writing. In Uganda, there was less focus on in-depth reading and structured essay writing compared to the UK university. I remember my first assignment, due even before boarding my plane in Entebbe, was to read Naomi Klein’s ” _This Changes Everything_ ” and Jared Diamond’s ” _Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Succeed_ ” and write an essay on how I can save the future.”
Additionally, Stephen says that the level of interaction between students and lecturers differed significantly. In the UK, there was a greater emphasis on student participation and individual engagement with lecturers, while in Uganda, the teaching style felt more lecture-focused with less individual interaction. He comments that lecturers seemed to be always in hurry.
X. Is Any System Better
All systems have added value to my growth a person. I learnt the basics of discpline and reading extensively at Kibuli, Butiki and UCU in Uganda, upon which I built other advanced competencies later in life. The focus on academic excellence in Uganda pushed me to strive to become better. It cultivated a sense of self control and determination which I continue to use today in achieving my my personal and professional targets. However, it feels reductive to quantify these contributions as unique to those institutions; skills may emerge from unexpected places regradless of where one finds themesleves. That said, in Oxford and Michigan, I learnt not to accept the ideas proposed in the materials I read. Critical thinking, challenging assumptions and presuppoistions, and questioning were essential to advancing knowledge. This extends especially to my profession as a legal practictioner and academic. An excellent lawyer must step out of their arguments, examine their weaknesses and distinguish what rules of precedent should apply to their client’s case. By questioning, we allow ourselves to explore more, to learn, to get closer to the truth and become more elightened. This is learning and it should never end. As long as we continue to breathe we should continue learning. Knowledge is a gate way.
Francis Byaruhanga
Posted at 18:52h, 18 FebruaryWow. It’s the comparative analysis that has stood out for me. Additionally, your emphasis on focusing on what we learn or take away from the experience of an education. Albert Einstein once said, “Education is what remains after one has forgotten what one has learned in school.”
I believe that Oxbridge Education will always leave an indelible mark on whoever gets the opportunity to experience it. I look forward to garnering this exposure that emphasizes critical thinking and well reasoned scholarship, because that’s the essence of being a University “scholar”; something that our education system should adopt.
Thank you for sharing, Joel!
Zaina Nakyagaba
Posted at 00:28h, 09 FebruaryThank you for this phenomenal piece.
I have been mulling over the thought of education and this piece was right on time.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:22h, 09 FebruaryYou are most welcome. Thank you for taking the the time to read. I am glad that this was a timely reading for you.
Raymond Amumpaire
Posted at 10:04h, 05 FebruaryJoel, thanks for sharing this article informed by your wealth of experience having walked the journey of the pursuit of knowledge in 3 continents. What I know for certain, is that from Kampala to Kolkata or Kuala Lumpur to Kentucky, education remains a necessary foundation for the holistic chiseling of the people we are or are destined to become. I hope, now that you are on the other side as an educator, your classes are a reflection of each and every good aspect you have learned as well as mentorship received along the way. I also hope that you are still as great an artist as you used to be at Kibuli … hahahaha
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:28h, 09 FebruaryYou are most welcome, Raymond. I agree with you, education is a necessary foundation upon which to build. I strive to make the classes impactful. I am considering practicing art again, alongside law and teaching.
Hope Peruth Mukoda
Posted at 16:16h, 03 February„Great read“ I really enjoyed how you contrasted your learning experiences across Uganda ,the UK, and the US.Your journey truly reflects Robert Browning‘s words:‘A man‘s reach should exceed his grasp‘.You pushed beyond your limits,embraced new academic challenges,and grew immensely through international exposure.Truly inspiring and insightful
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:30h, 09 FebruaryThank you Hope for these kind words. I am glad this was inspiring and insightful. I like Robert Browning’s quote.
Mukisa Sharon
Posted at 16:12h, 03 FebruaryI think my funniest part is knowing that while you were at Oxford, you and your colleagues referred to Cambridge as “the other”
At least that’s something those studying law in Uganda at either UCU or MUK can laugh about, now we know the battle between law schools still lives on.
Otherwise, this is truly a beautiful read. A master piece as always. Sharing your experiences has really shaped my version of how systems actually work.
Indeed, there ought to be some changes made to our systems in Uganda so that when someone opts to study a Masters or to attain any other level of education abroad, they easily adapt to the new system.
Again, thank you for sharing this Mr. Joel
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:33h, 09 FebruaryYes, it is a bitter sweet rivalry. This rivalry reaches its climax during the annual boat races. The battle lives on. I am glad that this article has shaped your views, Sharon. Glad that this was insightful. Thank you for this feedback and kind words.
Raymond Amumpaire
Posted at 13:35h, 02 FebruaryJoel, thanks for sharing this article informed by your wealth of experience having walked the journey of the pursuit of knowledge in 3 continents. What I know for certain, is that from Kampala to Kolkata or Kentucky, education remains a necessary foundation for the holistic chiseling of the people we are or are destined to become. I hope, now that you are on the other side as an educator, your classes are a reflection of each and every good aspect you have learned as well as mentorship received along the way. I also hope that you are still as great an artist as you used to be at Kibuli … hahahaha
Muhammed Faye
Posted at 00:01h, 31 JanuaryI’d like to express my heartfelt gratitude to Mr. Bosoga for the invaluable lessons I’ve learned. Your words of wisdom have reminded me that learning is a lifelong journey, and curiosity is key to acquiring knowledge.
I appreciate the emphasis on acknowledging individual differences among students and providing support to help each one excel. This nurturing approach fosters growth and development.
The vice chancellor’s advice to embrace challenges, try new things, and learn from mistakes resonated deeply with me. Her reminder to prioritize time management and preparation is invaluable.
Lastly, I’m reminded of the importance of gratitude, as emphasized in the Quran (14:7): “If you are grateful, I will surely increase you.” Thank you once again for the inspiring words and guidance.”
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:35h, 09 FebruaryI am glad that you picked some lessons from the article. Nurturing fosters growth and development. Thank you for sharing the wisdom from the Quran. Thank you Faye!
SEBALU ROGERS
Posted at 11:36h, 30 JanuaryThank you very much for sharing your experience. As someone who subscribe to the teachings of Christianity, I want to quote the words in bible in the book of Hosea 4:6 where it points out that people perish because of lack of knowledge. This is not just any other story but piece that speaks volume to as an academic scholar and also answers my inner questions I have been having concerning the exceptionality you exhibit while lecturing in class.
Every time I read something that you have authored continues to shape my perspective on a number of many life issues.
Thank you.
Great story.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:38h, 09 FebruaryThank you Rogers. Knowledge is indeed power. I am glad that this post answers your inner questions. I appreciate the kind words, Rogers. You are most welcome.
Kisakye Victoria
Posted at 14:41h, 28 JanuaryThis is an encouraging piece .
Thank you for sharing
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:54h, 09 FebruaryYou are most welcome. I am glad you are encouraged, Victoria.
Nasser Konde
Posted at 21:51h, 27 JanuaryKibuli indeed was the school of hard knocks. Made us very tough and resilient people. I indeed recall you doing portrait sketches over the weekend in the quadrangle and making the much enviable extra buck. My academic journey is quite interesting. I took a detour to now Hana International School then Hana Mixed Secondary School for my A Level after O Level at Kibuli Secondary School. This gave me exposure to doing things quite differently. Did an IT degree at Makerere University, worked in a Digital Marketing firm for one year and then returned Makerere University to do my law degree a year after graduating. Doing law as a second degree and after working for sometime which is similar to what is done in the US gave me an opportunity to bring analytical and critical skills to my law school experience and not look at only memorizing the law and passing exams.This is the reason I excelled in my open book exams more than my closed book exams. Starting my law degree at the age of 25 also meant that I was pretty sure about what l wanted in life so I was more focused and less distracted. Fortunately I was in evening class so most of my classmates were my age or much older than me. I struggled and still struggle to relate with my younger classmates (Gen Z) in the day class. Still grappling with how they do life. After law school, I went on to do the Bar Course at the age of 30. This gave me a unique advantage of not needing a little bit of pressure or push that is required for most that do the Bar Course at a young age. I also didn’t have a traumatic experience at the Bar Course. I am now looking at doing an online masters from a UK University. Having an IT and Law degree has given me the unique advantage of being good at Technology Law so I am specializing in that area. Despite doing the law degree and joining the legal profession long after my peers in addition to doing 7 extra years of study ( thanks to COVID-19) , I don’t have any regrets.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:53h, 09 FebruaryThanks, Nasser for taking the time to read. Yes, Kibuli gave me a couple of hard knocks and prepared me for the world outside school. Indeed, thats resilience. Wow! Your journey from Kibuli to Hana and later undertaking an IT degree before law, make you very special. I agree, my classes in the United States with JD students were very eye-opening. Most of the students had such critical contributions. We had engineers, doctors, and persons from several disciplines- since law was a second degree in the US. You are an excellent lawyer and your career looks promising. I am interested in technology law too. Thanks, Nasser for sharing your life’s journey. I find several aspects of you life to be inspiring.
Ategeka Ignatius
Posted at 19:24h, 27 JanuaryThis is awesome!!!
I can’t stop reading over and over. Thanks Joel for putting this together. Lots of inspiration.
Ategeka Ignatius
Posted at 19:22h, 27 JanuaryThis is awesome!!!
I didn’t want it to end. Thanks Joel for putting this together. Lots of inspiration.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:56h, 28 JanuaryThank you, Ignatius.
andreew kato
Posted at 15:47h, 27 JanuaryImpressive, quite an inspiring journey, opting to study your LLM instead of proceeding to the much praised Law development center. This is certainly one journey that is worthy of an autobiography. After going through a school system where its all about grades, its easy to miss out on the fun of the journey and get caged into school prowess . indeed your experience through the united kingdom and united states has shade a light into my mind about how achievable the things we hope for can be.
thanks for sharing!
Tonny R. Kirabira
Posted at 14:13h, 27 JanuaryFantastic piece! The comparison between Butiki and Kibuli is very good, eliciting a question- Is it education for responsibility or education for academic success? Whilst the latter is undesirable, we live in a highly competitive world in Uganda the Global South, where the priority is on short term progress and achievements. Hopefully, this will change in the coming years.
Overall, Joel’s experience in higher education demonstrates the vital importance of global exposure for a holistic approach to work and career. There will always be challenges along the road, but these should only make one stronger.
This is an informative, educative and inspirational piece!
Muganzi Pauline
Posted at 13:13h, 27 JanuaryThank you for this insightful article. It is truly refreshing and encouraging to learn about an education system that acknowledges and values individual perspectives and ways of thinking. For a long time, I have often felt out of place due to my unique approach to various issues. Many have labeled me as “weird” simply because I tend to view things from a different perspective. As a result, I have often preferred solitude. However, your article has provided me with reassurance and encouragement to continue pursuing what truly matters to me and to embrace my individuality with confidence.
Your emphasis on the importance of having a career advisor is particularly profound and essential in one’s professional journey. It is quite concerning that many individuals rush into pursuing a master’s degree simply because it is considered the right step to take. I have always believed that pursuing further education should not be a mere formality but rather a deliberate decision based on a clear understanding of what one aims to master. This approach ultimately helps individuals make informed choices and avoid unnecessary delays in their career progression.
Joram Ndagga I Venture Builder
Posted at 11:48h, 27 JanuaryInteresting Read Joel, Thank you for sharing!
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:55h, 28 JanuaryThank you, Joram.
Priscilla Kamaikya
Posted at 22:25h, 26 January“As long as we continue to breathe,we should continue learning.Knowledge is a gate way”
is my greatest take away in this ….Thankyou Mr Joel Basoga for sharing this insightful journey …I am inspired by your flexibility towards attaining knowledge in that you have made great use of every learning environment you have been in…What a profound experience exclamation !
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:55h, 28 JanuaryThank you Priscilla for these kind words. I am glad that this was insightful. You are most welcome.
Joy Koelewijn
Posted at 20:35h, 26 JanuaryIt is always interesting to read about the experiences that different international students face in their pursuit of education. Thank you for sharing your experience with us. It is definitely worth the read.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:07h, 28 JanuaryThank you, Joy. I am glad that it was worth reading. The international student experience is a great opportunity but also quite challenging. Thank you.
Mujuni Elly
Posted at 17:19h, 26 JanuaryReading this Article, one, it encourages me as a finalist at UCU to work hard and position myself for greater heights.
Two, indeed learning is gradual not instant which I believe most of my fellow youths tend not to understand. But I would like to get a one on one with you Sir, for you to please guide me to be gradual in learning.
Finally, the education system in Uganda however much it may have it’s advantages like you’ve stated, it’s not immune to it’s enomous challenges and I believe the right decisions to change it haven’t been made hence we still cripple with the effects and this must change.
I want to thank you for taking the time and effort to come up with this literature that conveys a message that’s to change lives within our ideological and intellectual discourse, but don’t know if you still have the “artist” in you to try out what could have been?
Stay Blessed
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:05h, 28 JanuaryThank you Elly.
I am happy to have a chat. Please get in touch via email and we can set up a meeting (jb@joelbasoga.com).
I am not sure if I still have the artist in me. I have not drawn in over 12 years. I would not count on it.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and taking the time to read.
AWORI SHADRACK
Posted at 16:35h, 26 JanuaryA Very insightful piece of work … Am glad you shared you’re journey with us, am inspired!
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:02h, 28 JanuaryThank you, Shadrack. I am glad that the piece was insightful. Thank you.
Namara Racheal
Posted at 16:00h, 26 JanuaryThank you Mr. Basoga for sharing your education journey and your experience among the different countries. This has been very helpful to me.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:01h, 28 JanuaryYou are most welcome. I am glad that this was helpful.Thank you, Namara.
Theophilus Negule
Posted at 14:15h, 26 JanuaryIntetesting insighsts in here on stidying in 3 different contients
As a Ugandan by descent I can say our education system is improving by the day thanks to thr new curriculum to accommodate critical thinking ideology sharing rather than just memorization am certain the future is bright !.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 15:40h, 26 JanuaryThank you, Theophilus. Yes, it is improving and some mild steps of reform have been taken.
Shaban Kitimbo
Posted at 13:49h, 26 JanuaryGreat stories and insights that you are feeding me here right now. Thanks for putting all this to manifestation.
From our youngselves, I have always shared with us a perspective of possibility, inspiration and passion in whatever you have. And I strongly believe more you Africans need to feed on this.
God bless you Papa.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 15:39h, 26 JanuaryThank you, Shaban. I am glad that this was inspiring. Amen!
Birungi Denis
Posted at 13:24h, 26 JanuaryThank you Joel for sharing this incredible vast experience and your insights . I hope that one day, Uganda’s education system is overhauled to focus on critical thinking and problem solving as opposed to cramwork .
Joel Basoga
Posted at 15:38h, 26 JanuaryYou are most welcome, Denis. I agree, reform is needed, urgently. Thank you for taking the time to read.
Pario Nick
Posted at 09:05h, 26 JanuaryJoel this insightful peace should be shared with the Ministry of Education officials & other stakeholders.
I pray that you be accorded audience with the above stakeholders to have a discourse with them. It is really needed to because it ea high time to overhaul our archaic education system to bring it update with the modern systems already adopted by other countries.
You juxtaposed the different educational systems very well. I must say that you’re so blessed & lucky to have experienced the three modes of education system which am sure have made you a better person and Advocate. I haven’t been as lucky as you truth be told.
Thank you for taking us through your rollercoaster ride in your educational career Joel. God bless you.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 15:36h, 26 JanuaryI will consider sharing it with the relevant stakeholders. There is a strong case for reform and I am happy to participate or play a role in it. Yes, I am very fortunate. It was a very eye opening experience. You are most welcome. Thank you for taking the time to read, Nick,
ANGURA JAMES
Posted at 08:13h, 26 JanuaryThank you mr Basoga for this insightful article, such experiences encourages us too to persue more and more of education to increase the knowledge that’s we already have. It has also given us the opportunity to move to places that we didn’t expect and for your case into different continents and met different people with different perception of life and view of the world and this has shaped us in that we are deprived from our comfort zones to learn more outside our different community settings
I appreciate you
Thank you
Joel Basoga
Posted at 15:33h, 26 JanuaryYou are most welcome, James. I am glad you are encouraged by the post. Iron sharpens iron. I am happy to hear that this has been insightful. Thank you James.
Matovu Ronald
Posted at 03:59h, 26 JanuaryCritical thinking. This is something that we literally don’t have, in our education system (Uganda).
Sometimes I wonder if such experiences are ever shared with the policy makers in the Ministry of Education (Uganda).
Thank you Joel, for sharing this great journey of yours. Alluta continua
Joel Basoga
Posted at 15:30h, 26 JanuaryThanks Ronald. I understand the Ministry of Education has been considering this issue for a while. I will make an effort share these experiences with them. That said, I agree, we need to incorporate critical thinking into the curriculum. You are most welcome.
Aaron Alinda
Posted at 01:33h, 26 JanuaryThis piece has been insightful,it gave me rememberance of my high school times at Gombe SS where I was good at art hoping to be a great artist owning a marketing agency in the future but my other idol was the law and how I was inspired by the submissions made by lawyers on tv and in newspapers,I eventually had a strong personal debate between my mind and my heart as to whether I should continue with the art I was talented at or get a new type of trade that I would be good at too, eventually.
Thank you
Joel Basoga
Posted at 15:18h, 26 JanuaryThank you, Aaron. I am glad to hear that we had similar interests in art. I hope you still practice art even though you are pursuing a career in law. I am glad you could relate with the article on a personal level.
Kalule George Wilson
Posted at 23:45h, 25 JanuaryAs an undergraduate law student at UCU, I feel inspired by this article. It continually reveals the reason for various unique and essential characteristics necessary for a lawyer and more importantly an educational practitioner in the legal field. My take home is the need for a deeper understanding of aspects of the law to the level of criticism. This surely draws a better picture of the beauty and function of the law and makes one a better legal officer in sum.
Surely, seeking knowledge never ends and I am excited to cultivate and work in the light of this Article. Thank you very much Mr. Basoga for this insightful write-up!
Joel Basoga
Posted at 15:15h, 26 JanuaryThank you George. I agree, seeking knowledge never ends. I am happy to know that this article has been insightful to you. I wish you a meaningful and successful journey in Law School.
Hope Sandra Odeke
Posted at 23:00h, 25 JanuaryI have enjoyed reading this article. Our experiences are never wasted. They are a good opportunity for us to learn and refine our skills. I am in awe concerning the culture at Oxford where you have to wear your academic gown and add a carnation. I have definitely learnt something new. Thank you Joel for sharing your journey with us. God bless you and I look forward to reading about more of your expeditions.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 15:13h, 26 JanuaryI am glad that you enjoyed reading this, Hope. I am happy that you learnt something new. I thought the carnations were a little bit “extra” but again, so many traditions in Oxford are interesting. You are most welcome and thank you for these kind words. Amen!
Stacy
Posted at 22:13h, 25 JanuaryThank you for sharing your experience Counsel.
It is an insightful piece of literature.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 15:10h, 26 JanuaryYou are welcome. Thank you, Stacy.
NAMUGERWA SYLVIA
Posted at 21:55h, 25 JanuaryThis is a very interesting article.It explains the intensity of student interactions in your classes and encouragement for analytical skills and legal reasoning.Your classes are memorable.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 15:08h, 26 JanuaryThank you Sylvia. I am glad to hear that the classes are worthwhile and memorable. Yes, my approach is greatly influenced by these experiences in the UK, the US and Uganda.
Tokuma Joel Lucky
Posted at 21:33h, 25 JanuaryDear Joel,
Thank you for sharing your journey.
I pray that God will continue to abound toward you with all goodness.
Please keep sharing, I enjoyed it.
This is a timely message.
It is also inspirational and sound.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 15:05h, 26 JanuaryThank you Prophet Joel. You are most welcome. Amen to the blessings, I am glad that you are inspired.
Tokuma Joel Lucky
Posted at 21:31h, 25 JanuaryDear Joel,
Thank you for sharing your journey.
I pray that God will continue to abound toward you with all goodness.
Please keep sharing, I enjoyed it.
This is a timely message.
NSIIMA RUTH LYNDA
Posted at 21:15h, 25 JanuaryDr. Art, that was an excellent read. As one of your students, I’m truly glad you chose to pursue law. Your passion for teaching shines through your remarkable skills, and it’s clear you genuinely love what you do. The way you teach us reflects the renowned Oxford tutorial system, where students are encouraged to think critically, defend their ideas, and engage deeply with the subject matter. By incorporating this approach, you challenge us to frame logical, well-reasoned arguments, express our perspectives, and actively participate in discussions. This method benefits us immensely as it sharpens our analytical thinking and enhances our confidence. It ensures that we are not just passive learners but active participants in our education, preparing us to excel as future legal professionals. Thank you for bringing this transformative approach to our learning experience.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 15:04h, 26 JanuaryThank you, Ruth for these generous compliments and words. Student participation is critical in learning at law school. I am glad that you are benefiting from it. You are most welcome.
Nyombi Jonathan Raisemayers
Posted at 20:55h, 25 JanuaryMr. Basoga,
The reflection on your educational journey across three continents highlights the value of diverse learning experiences.
They emphasize the importance of critical thinking, questioning assumptions, and continuous learning, which are essential skills for personal and professional growth.
Your appreciation of the different educational systems encountered, from Uganda to the UK and the US, demonstrates that each system has its unique strengths and contributions to make.
Ultimately, your conclusion that “learning should never end” resonates deeply, encouraging everyone of us having read this article, to embrace a lifelong commitment to education and personal development.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:46h, 26 JanuaryDiversity allows us to learn from different cultures. Certainly, each system has its strengths and shortcomings. I am glad that you reasonate with the ideas in the article. Thank you Jonathan.
MUYOMBA AMOS
Posted at 20:49h, 25 JanuaryIt’s really a great experience for you.
So inspirational and advisory to many of us!
I’m glad the impact is felt within me.
Thanks for sharing.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:44h, 26 JanuaryThank you, Amos. I am glad that it inspires you. You are welcome.
Atwijukiire Bridget
Posted at 20:47h, 25 JanuaryHow exceptional your academic Journey is!
Its absolutely amazing and accompanied by the grace of God!
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:43h, 26 JanuaryThank you, Bridget!
Biggie
Posted at 20:36h, 25 JanuaryI love the fact that abroad you were allowed to question the system! Nice!
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:35h, 26 JanuaryYes, it was a central part of the learning. Thanks, Biggie!
Angu'zu Raymond
Posted at 20:24h, 25 JanuaryAs long as we continue to breathe, we should keep learning. It’s such a strong closing statement. I read about how in the Ugandan Context, you, like many of us, had been equipped with memorisation and excelling in exams rather than questioning and contributing to scholarship. Did you ever need this background to ace your exams in both the UK and the USA or you had a total overhaul in approaching them?
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:42h, 26 JanuaryThanks Raymond. That’s a great question. I would not say I did a total overhaul. The Uganda background was helpful. The skill and ability to read extensively and memorise existing scholarship was important and foundational. I had to build on it by learning how to critically evaluate the underlying propositions in the assigned academic materials. I read a lot of books on critical reading and writing. I also used the tutorial essays to practice and develop these skills. 6 months into the course (especially at Oxford), I felt I had found my footing.
Michelle
Posted at 20:06h, 25 JanuarySuch a nice article, I was your student at one of the course units you lecture at Uganda Christian University, Kampala campus but your classes were one of those I always looked forward to attend everyweek. They were coupled with student inclusivity and interaction. At the end of every class it left me thinking more about the topics you always taught. Your classes always evoked a skill of critical thinking in me. It was such a wonderful experience. Thank you for sharing your journey and I enjoyed reading every part of this article. Your such an exceptional character
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:33h, 26 JanuaryThank you, Michelle for these kind words. I am glad that the classes had a positive impact on you. I appreciate the positive feedback and the time you took off to read this article.
Nagasha Tracy
Posted at 20:03h, 25 JanuaryThank you Counsel for this interesting piece that resonates with a certain book published by Makerere University on Critical Thinking Habits.
It is imperative of us as human beings to train our minds to be curious behind certain aspects and not just the law.
Once the student stops asking questions(being critical) , the teacher must send them away as it is a sign that the teacher has nothing less to offer.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:30h, 26 JanuaryYou are most welcome, Tracy. I’d like to access a copy of that book. Curiosity is a good thing, although the English say it killed the cat. I agree with you, we need to be more curious. The former Dean of Harvard Law School once said, that the role of educators is to lead students to ask the right questions. Teachers, must, at the very least encourage questioning and critical inquiry.
JOSEPH MICHEAL TENYWA
Posted at 19:46h, 25 JanuaryReading this piece brings me enormous memories. I realize we share something in Common. I also had my secondary from Jinja College, a traditional single boys school in Eastern Uganda. We nearly had a similar lifestyle like Butiki. When we started secondary education, morning preps and night preps were not optional but also there was no strict supervision. Our weekend usually started on Friday and the school timetable had classes like Library lesson where we read news papers and flipped through copies of “The World Book of Records”, Fine art classes which were often outside class rooms, or even free.
We had entertainment from Friday evening and on Saturday, we invited local artists like Eddy Kenzo, Moon G, among others. To our surprise, we always excelled better than some schools that had classes even on weekends. In Advanced level mainly known as A Level, I decided to do sciences particularly PCB so as to become a medical doctor. However this time classes were more intensive, we had compulsory Lab lessons every evening after class as our Arts counter parts enjoyed conversations of Napoleon and other famous Continental nationalists.
By the end of A level, I had hated the Lab experiences. I felt I was a more people centered person as opposed to spending time in the Lab. I resolved that I would do a course which helped me interact with people. I didn’t know the course but also didn’t think of Law.
By some chance, I ended up into Law School. I have been thrilled by every single experience in Law School. Everyday is full of amazing experiences. I look forward to having my Masters and PhD from some of the World’s iconic universities. Your experience is a great inspiration to me and I look forward to your guidance and mentorship through this journey.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:25h, 26 JanuaryWow! Thank you Tenywa for sharing your thoughts. I am happy to learn that we both went to traditional schools from the same region and have shared/similar experiences.
Your experiences at Jinja college are very interesting. Studying Physics, Chemistry and Biology must have been challenging. They were not my biggest strengths. You are a brave gentleman to take them on.
I am grateful that you saw the light and ended up in Law School. I am humbled to play a role (however minuscule) in your journey. You can get your masters and PHD from the leading institutions. Work hard and strategise. I appreciate the time you have taken to share your life story. It is moving. Thank you, Tenywa.
ABAGO REBECCA OBOTE
Posted at 19:40h, 25 JanuaryThank you for sharing your journey with us Sir , I loved the part where you talked about time being precious and it passing more quickly than we imagined , it makes me reflect on certain choices that I have made in my life , it makes me strive for continuous improvement and embrace the opportunity of becoming a better version of myself .
Joel Basoga
Posted at 14:18h, 26 JanuaryIt is my pleasure. It is true, we have less time than we think we do. It is important to make every moment count. I agree, we should strive to be better versions of ourselves. Thank you Rebecca for taking the time to read and sharing your thoughts.
Sarah Zawedde
Posted at 19:38h, 25 JanuaryThank you Joel! A very on point piece and observation in as far as the differences in systems and the aspects that hold Uganda’s system back are concerned. Whereas it breeds many smart people, it is to our detriment that there is more focus on how to pass the exam for a number of students than on what difference they could make from what has been taught and read. Only extensive reading, critical thinking and thought provoking discussions can achieve this. We cannot always be expected to agree with the lecturer at whatever cost! I hope the future generations will have it different.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 21:01h, 25 JanuaryYou are most welcome. I agree, exam focused learning does not make the necessary difference required to deal with some real life situations. Dissenting with instructors should be welcomed and embraced. Let us amplify these views and seek reform. This will help future generations. Thank you Sarah for sharing your thoughts and taking the time to read.
ABAHO PROMISE KEMIGISHA
Posted at 19:15h, 25 JanuaryWow! Am happy to have gained strength and read this Article.
Above all am happy that I have not been to Oxford or Michigan education norms but am happy you brought them closer to me.
I remember you telling us in our first class last semester that each ones opinion matters. And as for you, you may not know the impact of your teaching methods but it well it is a 10/10 thank you so much.
You believe in each of your students, you want each of your students to be heard( I mean that is personalised attention), you first give us a brief before teaching us so we are on the same line. I mean this sums up all you wrote. You really know how to pull a students esteem I mean we all fought for standing ovations which we got.
You really taught me to leave my comfort zone and to think.
Although what we missed as your class was a matriculation photo too()
This is a note to your sir; The way you idolised the lawyer who ordered for a cafe” Latte so are we all proud of you . Your the best, Mr. Basoga Joel.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 20:56h, 25 JanuaryThank you, Promise, for taking the time to read the article and for sharing your thoughts. The experience at Michigan and Oxford was life changing. Although it may appear demanding, the experience was worthwhile. I am glad you noticed that the classes were intentionally structured to focused on student’s input. It is the socratic method. I believe enhanced student engagement is important especially at the university level. Thank you once again, for these kind words. I am glad that you are now more reflective and out of your comfort zone. You are most welcome.
Remmy Wahanze
Posted at 19:04h, 25 JanuaryReally loved reading this, Mr. Basoga! It’s very insightful and rich!
Joel Basoga
Posted at 20:42h, 25 JanuaryThank you, Remmy.
Namyalo Lavendah
Posted at 18:58h, 25 JanuaryEnjoyed reading this, it went by faster than I thought. Love your conclusion on the entire matter.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 20:41h, 25 JanuaryThank you, Lavendah. Given the length of the article, I am happy to hear that you went through it faster than you anticipated.
Tom Elwao
Posted at 18:17h, 25 JanuaryThis Article is such an inspiration to challenge oneself in development of our mental intellect and to question the who we want to be or if we are fine just where we are. I would say this article is more of a talk of a dream and ambition, what it takes to achieve. I am mostly intrigued by the “Cold Call” and I wonder how you felt when your name showed up for the very first time.
At the end of this article, my mind lingered on a question.
Talking about education and reflecting on the Ugandan system that seems to focus majorly on facts, knowledge scribed into text and scholarly material, I would like to ask, “At what point should critical thinking, personal views and critique be incorporated into learning so as to impact education given the various stages of educational development in Uganda ranging from Primary-Higher education?”
Joel Basoga
Posted at 20:39h, 25 JanuaryI am glad that you are inspired by the article. The cold calling was brutal. Some students would request for exemptions ahead of certain classes if they were not prepared enough. I was nervous the first time I was cold called. This happened in the Data Privacy lecture. I was asked to give the facts of a federal court case. Thankfully, I had read the case. Critical thinking should be incorporated as early as possible. For the start, this may be done at the secondary school level.
Timothy Kisembo
Posted at 18:17h, 25 JanuaryWhat you mentioned about the Ugandan system is really insightful. I believe the A’level and university education here need to be revamped in order to deal with such complexities and advancements of the Western world.
Your journey was really inspirational and as a current undergraduate Law student, reading this article gave me a glimpse of the UK or US education I’d want to pursue to my LLM.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 20:25h, 25 JanuaryThanks, Timothy. I am glad that you found the article insightful. I agree, there is need for reform especially starting from the secondary school level. I am pleased to hear that you are inspired by this journey.
Moses Mufua
Posted at 18:02h, 25 JanuaryVery insightful & educational experience. Poignant with everyday struggles and triumphs life at its best . Not a bad idea to make a tryst with knowledge.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 20:23h, 25 JanuaryThank you Uncle. Yes, we should keep an open mind and strive to acquire more knowledge, whether it is from institutions or the university of life. You are most welcome.
BUKENYA BOAZ
Posted at 17:59h, 25 JanuaryIt has been an educative message I have picked an interesting message from this thank you consel for sharing with us you interesting experience.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 20:21h, 25 JanuaryThank you, Boaz! I am glad that this was educative. You are most welcome.
Masolo Adrian
Posted at 17:35h, 25 JanuaryThank you for sharing with us your experience. It’s a very insightful piece.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 20:20h, 25 JanuaryYou are most welcome, Adrian. I am glad that this was an insightful read for you.
Atuheire Gloria
Posted at 17:24h, 25 JanuaryIndeed learning never ends.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 18:34h, 25 JanuaryThanks, Gloria.
Onduma Sabit
Posted at 17:21h, 25 JanuaryMr. Basoga, your article resonated deeply with me. Your journey from Kibuli to Kiira College Butiiki, UCU, and beyond is truly inspiring. It highlights the importance of a well-rounded education that goes beyond rote memorization.
Your critique of the Ugandan education system is spot-on. While extensive reading is crucial, the current emphasis on cramming for exams stifles critical thinking and creativity. Students need to be taught to reason, analyze, and think outside the box.
Your teaching methods in class were a refreshing departure from the norm. You encouraged us to engage with the material, question assumptions, and develop our own perspectives. This approach fostered a deeper understanding and a love for learning.
Thank you for sharing your insights and for inspiring us to strive for a more meaningful and impactful education.
Joel Basoga
Posted at 18:34h, 25 JanuaryThank you Sabit for sharing your thoughts. I am glad you could reasonate with the article. I agree, we need to re-think some aspects of education here at home-Uganda. I am pleased to hear that the classes contributed to a deeper understanding of the subject. Thank you, Sabit. You are most welcome.
Sharon kebirungi
Posted at 16:59h, 25 JanuaryThis is very insightful. Thank you for sharing your experiences. This has opened up my mind
Joel Basoga
Posted at 17:49h, 25 JanuaryYou are most welcome. I am happy to hear this.